Comments on: How much of an impact would banning drive throughs have on the use of petroleum? http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm Questions and Answers Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:01:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: iam2inthis http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7357 iam2inthis Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:04 +0000 http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm#comment-7357 Edmunds I figured they would be the most mainstream and skeptical. Guess what? In What Really Saves Gas? And How Much? the Edmunds folks said you could improve fuel economy by as much as 19% by avoiding excessive idling. Their recommendation? Shut it down if you're stopping for more than a minute. This was the longest amount of time recommended by any of the media sources, which I would expect given their love of car culture. California Consumer Energy Center This page busts several myths, and comes to the conclusion that "more than ten seconds of idling uses more fuel than restarting the engine." They also say that "component wear caused by restarting the engine is estimated to add $10 per year to the cost of driving," which they think will be recovered from the savings from not idling. According to this source then, I can go ahead and shut the engine off if I'm stopping for 10 seconds or longer, and I don't worry about the wear and tear. The Canada Office of Energy Efficiency backs this up, too. Edmunds

I figured they would be the most mainstream and skeptical. Guess what? In What Really Saves Gas? And How Much? the Edmunds folks said you could improve fuel economy by as much as 19% by avoiding excessive idling. Their recommendation? Shut it down if you’re stopping for more than a minute. This was the longest amount of time recommended by any of the media sources, which I would expect given their love of car culture.

California Consumer Energy Center

This page busts several myths, and comes to the conclusion that "more than ten seconds of idling uses more fuel than restarting the engine." They also say that "component wear caused by restarting the engine is estimated to add $10 per year to the cost of driving," which they think will be recovered from the savings from not idling. According to this source then, I can go ahead and shut the engine off if I’m stopping for 10 seconds or longer, and I don’t worry about the wear and tear. The Canada Office of Energy Efficiency backs this up, too.

]]> By: Cindy W http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7358 Cindy W Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:04 +0000 http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm#comment-7358 I don't think that it's a drop in the bucket compared to Gore's private jet. Oh yea, he pays for his carbon foot print... Got it! He pays with your money to his own pocket... How about the petroleum that produces the electricity that powers your computer long enough for you to post that question? How about with all American industry moved to China and there are no jobs here in the US, since we want to stop 'global warming' who is going to support all of the alarmists while they sit at home saving the world? Great question I don’t think that it’s a drop in the bucket compared to Gore’s private jet. Oh yea, he pays for his carbon foot print… Got it! He pays with your money to his own pocket…

How about the petroleum that produces the electricity that powers your computer long enough for you to post that question?

How about with all American industry moved to China and there are no jobs here in the US, since we want to stop ‘global warming’ who is going to support all of the alarmists while they sit at home saving the world?

Great question

]]> By: roadhazzards http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7359 roadhazzards Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:04 +0000 http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm#comment-7359 Little if any actual impact. Your diatribe is quite funny, it indicates a high level of jealousy of those people who actually have cars and money to spend. Do you feel bette now that you got your whiney little rant off your chest ???? Little if any actual impact. Your diatribe is quite funny, it indicates a high level of jealousy of those people who actually have cars and money to spend. Do you feel bette now that you got your whiney little rant off your chest ????

]]> By: jk http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7360 jk Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:04 +0000 http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm#comment-7360 Sounds like you might be a little upset at how slow the line is moving in front of you. Sounds like you might be a little upset at how slow the line is moving in front of you.

]]> By: donfletcheryh http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7361 donfletcheryh Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:04 +0000 http://askalandman.com/how-much-of-an-impact-would-banning-drive-throughs-have-on-the-use-of-petroleum.htm#comment-7361 The design of drivethrough could certainly be improved by having the vehicles drive up to a higher elevation, then roll down with engine off. This would then be no more problem than parking and walking in. But that is not really your question. When we evaluate how many minutes the average car operator spends in these drive thru lines, compared to minutes driving, would we have 1%? No, closer to 0.1%. Then we look at fuel used, it will be about .025% of total automobile fuel used. ( vehicles really do use more fuel driving at even 50 km/h) Now there are many other things we could do that would cut consumption by more. When we are doing those things we do not look like hypocrites calling for a ban on drive thru. Drive thru has a much greater impact on exhaust pollution in the immediate area around the restaurant, and we might choose to stay away from that area, particularly not park and walk in tho THAT restaurant. The design of drivethrough could certainly be improved by having the vehicles drive up to a higher elevation, then roll down with engine off. This would then be no more problem than parking and walking in.

But that is not really your question. When we evaluate how many minutes the average car operator spends in these drive thru lines, compared to minutes driving, would we have 1%? No, closer to 0.1%. Then we look at fuel used, it will be about .025% of total automobile fuel used. ( vehicles really do use more fuel driving at even 50 km/h)

Now there are many other things we could do that would cut consumption by more. When we are doing those things we do not look like hypocrites calling for a ban on drive thru.

Drive thru has a much greater impact on exhaust pollution in the immediate area around the restaurant, and we might choose to stay away from that area, particularly not park and walk in tho THAT restaurant.

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